New Logo. Same Idents.
#1
With the upcoming BBC rebrand proving to initially at least be just a rebadging of the existing idents I thought it might be worth looking at some examples of where that has been done before, either successfully or not so much so.

I guess there are a few reasons why it might happen - now as in back in 1997 sacrificing an excellent and popular set of BBC2 idents to accomodate a new logo would be somewhat throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Another key reason in the multi-channel environment is that the master brand may change, but the budget doesn't extend to new idents for all the channels. Sometimes there might be a channel name change as well as a new logo, but for whatever reason the idents remain - and other times a decision is just made to stick it on what they've got for now rather than delay the new logo until a new look is ready. Occassionally too an old ident might be dug out of the archives to be repurposed for a special occassion.


BBC2 in 1997 is the most obvious example so I won't include videos of them. More recently though I think the C4 refresh which saw all the spin-off channels use their unique logos in favour of an adopted C4 logo is an example of how it can be done well, with the new logo integrated into the ident as in Film4, and how it can be done badly, with the new logo slapped on an existing ident which was clearly designed around the old logo, as in More4.

Film4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPTmXQWV4g8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOjvaXN87go

More4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGkNDD3_c_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpQc4ixkHRg


I'm sure there are plenty more examples which people can add, especially from the depths of the digital channels.
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#2
Does ITV in 2001 count? They replaced the ITV logo with an ITV1 one - on only the lines ident and the ready formed ident. They didn't keep any of the live action ones.

The 2002 ITV1 idents were also rebadged for Scottish, Grampian, and UTV, and the 2013 ITV idents were later rebadged for UTV as well.

Thames rebadged the generic 1989 ITV ident when they changed their logo in 1990.

Sky Travel rebadged their 1997 ident when the egg logo was replaced.
#3
JAS84 post_id=47877 time= user_id=881 Wrote:Does ITV in 2001 count? They replaced the ITV logo with an ITV1 one - on only the lines ident and the ready formed ident. They didn't keep any of the live action ones.

The 2002 ITV1 idents were also rebadged for Scottish, Grampian, and UTV, and the 2013 ITV idents were later rebadged for UTV as well.

Thames rebadged the generic 1989 ITV ident when they changed their logo in 1990.

Sky Travel rebadged their 1997 ident when the egg logo was replaced.

Yes, but only for generic ident. Idk about regional idents (HTV, Yorkshire, Carlton, etc) because the regional version of "Hearts" package were only appeared in 2001.
#4
Initially I thought, BBC1 did this in 1981. They stuck a new BBC1 font under the existing Mirror globe, but then I remembered they altered the colour of the globe from yellow and blue to green and blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zipwAe8-kFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSLNIEmiyC4
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#5
The Dutch Broadcaster RTL got a new logo in 2005 with the same idents for their main station RTL 4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vcj2i2keI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1oB0hSN0PI
#6
The S4C dragon idents launched with the 1991 logo, but were updated with a new logo in 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCFJGsVBVdU
#7
5Star (and it’s previous incarnation as Fiver) has twice got a new logo (in both cases when Channel 5 updated its logo) and updated the existing idents, and it wasn’t just a case of slapping on a new logo either.

The original Fiver idents only lasted about six months before the new logo was introduced.
https://youtu.be/CUwb52ihMvk
https://youtu.be/AK7pVAxSvfA

And then when it was rebranded as 5 star, a bit of effort would have been needed to update these idents:

https://youtu.be/PkeAY0LzqTc
https://youtu.be/Fe46PrRAmao
#8
kulelad77 post_id=47885 time= user_id=2044 Wrote:The S4C dragon idents launched with the 1991 logo, but were updated with a new logo in 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCFJGsVBVdU

There was also that bizarre transition out of the dragon idents in December 2006/January 2007. The 2006 Christmas idents used a new ident theme (flickering TVs) and this was carried onto new idents in January 2007 (still using the 1995 logo) and then just two weeks later (!!) they launched their actual new idents with a new logo, but some of the imagery had featured in the temporary idents.

Let’s also remember the Sky Three idents that then became Pick TV in 2011.
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#9
Note quite the same, but Look North remarkably re-edited their titles for just one bulletin on the day the logo launched, to be replaced on the following Monday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM4_pu5VMp8
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#10
Sorry for posting it off-topic (New logo, same idents), but i found that all BBC News titles (sans Breakfast News) were still using the 1993 set rebadged with then-new BBC logo which was launched in October 1997. The Beeb at the time needs one year and half to designing a new BBC News intros and set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CZGvW3tIMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuQeaPeAS-I
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIpVRqY...RdvoOPx4lA

I wonders if similar situation happened with BBC News and BBC One today, where they need a few months for designing a new idents (for BBC One) or studio set (for BBC News).
#11
The BBC have never really updated their news look with the channel branding. ITV and C4 have though over the last couple of decades, but 5 News often just updates the logo, and had to do it at least three times.

https://youtu.be/LAXiHmwqsGg


Also with C5 a rebrand situation occurred with 5 Select, which was originally going to be called 5 Prime but was changed last minute in case it caused Amazon to go bust. Similarly 10Boss in Australia was rebranded 10Bold after a couple of months just in case people ended up giving people an Australian TV channel for Christmas by mistake.

https://youtu.be/CcjU97Gb7JE
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#12
Do the BBC News channel and BBC Parliament Reith refreshes count?

In the case of the News channel, the Viz generated BBC News box was swapped with the 'News' in Reith and the box colour and shape changed but the intro/ident remained the same. Parliament's idents had the strange mish-mash of Helvetica and Gill Sans swapped for Gill and Reith.
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#13
Reputedly Channel 4 News pre-empted a rebrand with that strange bevelled 4 figure. Channel 4 subsequently binned the rebrand plans
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#14
Sky Travel. While the other Sky channels got new looks in 1998, Sky Travel kept the previous idents and put the new logo on them.

1997: https://www.tvark.org/?page=media&mediaid=79248
1998: https://www.tvark.org/?page=media&mediaid=79250
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#15
I already mentioned that, but thanks for posting the links.


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