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BBC - how does it fight back? - Blobs - 10-07-2021
James Martin post_id=26966 time= user_id=872 Wrote:Nobody's said that "everything is bad."
Not literally no but, again, Lobster said beyond news and kids there is very little of value. Examples of acclaimed new shows are dismissed because "others could have comissioned them" and everything else that is popular is dismissed for not being new enough. Despite the phoney bad faith arguments disguised as concern for public money nobody is in a tizzy or a huff thank you. That's an odd accusation to make for someone who gets so angry at people for not taking Eurovision as seriously as you think we should.
BBC - how does it fight back? - Brekkie - 10-07-2021
I think it is clear the contradictions in what people expect from the BBC make it very difficult to resolve. Some people expect them to cover the big things and basically let the little things go over time, whilst for others it's the opposite and the feeling they should leave the big things to the commercial sector and concentrate on the little things underserved elsewhere. The truth is the BBC has always tried to do both, sometimes successfully, sometimes not so. What is for certain is doing less of either isn't going to answer the question Johnny posed - how does it fight back?
The BBC has seemingly largely lost control of it's own narrative - partly through others shouting louder, especially certain sections of the media and certain sections of the political spectrum. It's tempting to suggest a back slapping "we're great" campaign but I don't think those cut through in the way they used too and usually just invite criticism for spending money on self promotion. So content is key - they need to ensure they are backing themselves in all areas and that BBC content is recognised as BBC content and that 10m tuning in for a weekly drama on BBC1 or 25m tuning in for a football match cannot be dismissed as "nobody watches the BBC". They also need to stop making decisions that don't help themselves - the Prince Phillip farce for example baffled many within the BBC, never mind the viewers - and a bit of common sense and being more pro-active in assessing the situation would have seen it avoided.
Ultimately though as something many see as a mandated premium subscription people need to feel like they are watching a premium service whenever they tune into the BBC - and much of the branding for BBC services, especially it's flagship service, hasn't felt premium for quite some time and I do think moving forward a new more collective approach is needed. The BBC have traditionally pushed out so many brands to try and show exactly how much they're doing, and now primarily push iPlayer and Sounds rather than the linear channels, which means viewers aren't always making the connection. I do think any new look for BBC One for example should be much more about the BBC brand than the "One", and ultimately over time a stronger connection to the core BBC brand is needed across all BBC services, even if that basically means BBC1/2/3/4 ultimately end up with a connected identity where the channel brand is very much secondary.
BBC - how does it fight back? - tellyblues - 10-07-2021
How old a show is does cause problems when commissioning new shows. One may only be 10 years old but what was the intended audience for it when it started? The audience of a show will age with it so when it comes to scheduling new shows around it, the BBC will look for similar. They don't want viewers switching off so are unlikely to pair content aimed at younger audiences with that aimed at older, hence why they have ended up with entire schedules aimed towards a particular demographic, which is unfair.
BBC - how does it fight back? - James Martin - 10-07-2021
Blobs post_id=26986 time= user_id=758 Wrote:What the Hell? It's Eurovision, not the bloody Mercury Music Prize. I've never gotten "angry" but I am repeatedly dismayed at how the world capital of popular music is represented by a broadcaster who phones in a token effort year in, year out.James Martin post_id=26966 time= user_id=872 Wrote:Nobody's said that "everything is bad."
Not literally no but, again, Lobster said beyond news and kids there is very little of value. Examples of acclaimed new shows are dismissed because "others could have comissioned them" and everything else that is popular is dismissed for not being new enough. Despite the phoney bad faith arguments disguised as concern for public money nobody is in a tizzy or a huff thank you. That's an odd accusation to make for someone who gets so angry at people for not taking Eurovision as seriously as you think we should.
When you do that, "you're going to reap just what you sow."
BBC - how does it fight back? - Markymark - 10-07-2021
James Martin post_id=27005 time= user_id=872 Wrote:What the Hell? It's Eurovision, not the bloody Mercury Music Prize. I've never gotten "angry" but I am repeatedly dismayed at how the world capital of popular music is represented by a broadcaster who phones in a token effort year in, year out.
Have the BBC ever really taken popular music seriously ?
They pretty much ignored it, until the government forced them to launch Radio 1 in 1967, which was (initially) a pretty pathetic effort to replace the outlawed offshore pirates.
They've never felt like the 'go to' place to consume it, even today ?
BBC - how does it fight back? - Cassia Tuna - 10-07-2021
Markymark post_id=27009 time= user_id=1078 Wrote:James Martin post_id=27005 time= user_id=872 Wrote:What the Hell? It's Eurovision, not the bloody Mercury Music Prize. I've never gotten "angry" but I am repeatedly dismayed at how the world capital of popular music is represented by a broadcaster who phones in a token effort year in, year out.
Have the BBC ever really taken popular music seriously ?
They pretty much ignored it, until the government forced them to launch Radio 1 in 1967, which was (initially) a pretty pathetic effort to replace the outlawed offshore pirates.
They've never felt like the 'go to' place to consume it, even today ?
The lack of a regular popular music programme (like TOTP) is criminal, IMO.
BBC - how does it fight back? - James Martin - 10-07-2021
Brekkie post_id=26990 time= user_id=976 Wrote:Ultimately though as something many see as a mandated premium subscription people need to feel like they are watching a premium service whenever they tune into the BBC - and much of the branding for BBC services, especially it's flagship service, hasn't felt premium for quite some time and I do think moving forward a new more collective approach is needed.I don't know if it's a side effect of my second jab today but I agree with Brekkie. 100%.
That's exactly how I see the BBC. A mandated premium subscription service. And for that I expect a premium product. For starters - no 5.1 support on iPlayer.
Just an example of the BBC peeing money up the wall, and sorry to go back to Eurovision, but they'd already paid for excellent breakfiller content from the EBU and Dutch Television whilst the votes were being verified.
What do the BBC do? Pre-empt it for a Line of Duty send-up that would fail a GCSE Drama exam. They also hired a complete random to offer his opinions instead of showing the World Feed - the guy didn't have a clue. Yet OGAE UK has tens of genuine fans with TV and Radio presentation experience (I'm generally available Andrew Cartmell if you're reading this) who would have happily gone over to IMG for their BFH.
Then there's the misreporting of news stories, such as the "million" at a "stop Brexit" event, debunked down to a few undred thousand by crowd experts. Or saying there's "three of four hundred" outside Tommy Robinson's court hearing when his own FB live clearly shows it's at least treble that figure.
I'm not condoning any of these stories, what I'm saying is by trying to play them down, you ultimately create outlets like GB News.
Ask yourself the question why the setting-up of GB News has been considered necessary by those who have done so?
Whilst they've proved you most certainly can't do this stuff on Two Bob, my goodness they've proved that alright, it does point to a wider problem of their target audience being ignored by the Corporation.
BBC - how does it fight back? - BettyS - 10-07-2021
Its part of being a part of British culture - worth every penny. Id rather give up council tax than the BBC
BBC - how does it fight back? - MatijaTelevizija - 10-07-2021
BettyS post_id=27044 time= user_id=1139 Wrote:Its part of being a part of British culture - worth every penny. Id rather give up council tax than the BBCAnd some of us who are not even British ( my family is Slovenian immigrants ) still feel integrated too ? Just goes to show what a single company is capable of ?
BBC - how does it fight back? - Cando - 10-07-2021
The best thread on the forum, everyone clearly missing a chromosome
BBC - how does it fight back? - Blobs - 10-07-2021
James Martin post_id=27005 time= user_id=872 Wrote:Blobs post_id=26986 time= user_id=758 Wrote:What the Hell? It's Eurovision, not the bloody Mercury Music Prize. I've never gotten "angry" but I am repeatedly dismayed at how the world capital of popular music is represented by a broadcaster who phones in a token effort year in, year out.James Martin post_id=26966 time= user_id=872 Wrote:Nobody's said that "everything is bad."
Not literally no but, again, Lobster said beyond news and kids there is very little of value. Examples of acclaimed new shows are dismissed because "others could have comissioned them" and everything else that is popular is dismissed for not being new enough. Despite the phoney bad faith arguments disguised as concern for public money nobody is in a tizzy or a huff thank you. That's an odd accusation to make for someone who gets so angry at people for not taking Eurovision as seriously as you think we should.
Well "repeatedly" is the right word, that's sure.
BBC - how does it fight back? - DavidWhitfield - 10-07-2021
Cando post_id=27061 time= user_id=1314 Wrote:The best thread on the forum, everyone clearly missing a chromosomeI'm not sure whether you realise quite how offensive this comment is.
I've just about stopped short of issuing a warning here as I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but please be advised that this sort of comment, made in jest or not, is not welcome here.
Thanks.
BBC - how does it fight back? - JK1985 - 10-07-2021
BBC funding method in my opinion should be modelled on the funding system of PBS in America. I do feel the licence fee will be gone by the end of the current charter which is on 31st December 2027.
I can see the government change the funding model to a government grant provided to the BBC per year for a set period of time, funded out of general taxation. The BBC would also use their commercially generated income from BBC Studios to supplement the grant, along with a complete restructuring of BBC channels.
I think that would be fairer.
BBC - how does it fight back? - Brekkie - 10-07-2021
Funding directly from the government would seriously compromise it's independence and make it even more vulnerable to the whims of the government moving forward.
Clarkson put into perspective what value for money it was earlier - £157 a year compared to a potential £137 a month for the main streaming and subscription services if you take them all.
BBC - how does it fight back? - XIII - 11-07-2021
JK1985 post_id=27066 time= user_id=1347 Wrote:BBC funding method in my opinion should be modelled on the funding system of PBS in America. I do feel the licence fee will be gone by the end of the current charter which is on 31st December 2027.The PBS and ABC model wouldn't work and would make it vulnerable to budget cuts.
I can see the government change the funding model to a government grant provided to the BBC per year for a set period of time, funded out of general taxation. The BBC would also use their commercially generated income from BBC Studios to supplement the grant, along with a complete restructuring of BBC channels.
I think that would be fairer.