lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:The main problem with the BBC is that it has grown into an unwieldy mess, rotten with malignant institutional stupidity and a stuck in a rut kind of mindset.

Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.

Sadly, I think this is a manifestation of a toxic blame management culture within the organisation - this prevents people taking risk and being accountable - and not only does this show in the behaviour of the organisation in the face of scandal and criticism, it manifests in the output too.

There are very few things of value the BBC does which would not seem at home on any other streaming service these days - news and current affairs are still excellent, as is childrens', but the learning zone long dead, the day time schedule is awful, and every year at Christmas when they should pull out all the stops, what do we get? another mrs brown's boys, call the midwife, and a badly lit murder in the queen vic.

The corporation needs a massive cull and overhaul, with new blood and new ways of thinking - that is the only way it can survive.

lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:The main problem with the BBC is that it has grown into an unwieldy mess, rotten with malignant institutional stupidity and a stuck in a rut kind of mindset.

Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.
If you're referring to naga laughing at the flag that only became a big deal when talkradio a station who nobody listeneds to and who regularly slam the bbc chose to make a big deal out of it and get its few listeners angry about it

Sadly, I think this is a manifestation of a toxic blame management culture within the organisation - this prevents people taking risk and being accountable - and not only does this show in the behaviour of the organisation in the face of scandal and criticism, it manifests in the output too.

There are very few things of value the BBC does which would not seem at home on any other streaming service these days - news and current affairs are still excellent, as is childrens', but the learning zone long dead, the day time schedule is awful, and every year at Christmas when they should pull out all the stops, what do we get? another mrs brown's boys, call the midwife, and a badly lit murder in the queen vic.

The corporation needs a massive cull and overhaul, with new blood and new ways of thinking - that is the only way it can survive.

Blobs post_id=26886 time= user_id=758 Wrote:If a "stuck in a rut" mindset produces "things of little value" like, off the top of my head, I May Destroy You, Fleabag, Small Axe, Happy Valley, This Country, Inside No 9, Time etc than I guess the other streaming services must be really overthinking things. Maybe they're the ones who need a "new way of thinking?" Whatever the hell that actually means.

lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.

lobster post_id=26897 time= user_id=890 Wrote:

Blobs post_id=26886 time= user_id=758 Wrote:If a "stuck in a rut" mindset produces "things of little value" like, off the top of my head, I May Destroy You, Fleabag, Small Axe, Happy Valley, This Country, Inside No 9, Time etc than I guess the other streaming services must be really overthinking things. Maybe they're the ones who need a "new way of thinking?" Whatever the hell that actually means.

my point is the majority of those programmes, if they weren't commissioned by the BBC, would have been commissioned elsewhere.

Brekkie post_id=26903 time= user_id=976 Wrote:

lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.

Putting Naga Munchetty in the same sentence as Saville. Really?

Blobs post_id=26904 time= user_id=758 Wrote:

lobster post_id=26897 time= user_id=890 Wrote:

Blobs post_id=26886 time= user_id=758 Wrote:If a "stuck in a rut" mindset produces "things of little value" like, off the top of my head, I May Destroy You, Fleabag, Small Axe, Happy Valley, This Country, Inside No 9, Time etc than I guess the other streaming services must be really overthinking things. Maybe they're the ones who need a "new way of thinking?" Whatever the hell that actually means.

my point is the majority of those programmes, if they weren't commissioned by the BBC, would have been commissioned elsewhere.

But they weren't. And so what if they could have been? Should I May Destroy You and Small Axe not be winning Baftas and acclaim because, In theory, another channel could have made those shows?

So you have a problem with Strictly and Would I Lie To You because they're old even though they're still popular. But also acclaimed new shows don't count in your eyes because the BBC shouldn't be making shows as good as other channels?

lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.

lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:The main problem with the BBC is that it has grown into an unwieldy mess, rotten with malignant institutional stupidity and a stuck in a rut kind of mindset.

Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.

Sadly, I think this is a manifestation of a toxic blame management culture within the organisation - this prevents people taking risk and being accountable - and not only does this show in the behaviour of the organisation in the face of scandal and criticism, it manifests in the output too.

There are very few things of value the BBC does which would not seem at home on any other streaming service these days - news and current affairs are still excellent, as is childrens', but the learning zone long dead, the day time schedule is awful, and every year at Christmas when they should pull out all the stops, what do we get? another mrs brown's boys, call the midwife, and a badly lit murder in the queen vic.

The corporation needs a massive cull and overhaul, with new blood and new ways of thinking - that is the only way it can survive.

Toby brown post_id=26928 time= user_id=1251 Wrote:If your talking about the laughing at the flag when referring to naga that only became a big deel when talkradio a station with few listeners who regularly bash the bbc decided to make it a big deel by going on about it all the time and they encouraged there small amount of listeners to get angry about it

Night Thoughts post_id=26908 time= user_id=1484 Wrote:

lobster post_id=26854 time= user_id=890 Wrote:Look at all the scandals over the last few years and how badly it handled all of them - Cliff Richard, Naga Munchetty, the gender pay gap, Bashir, Saville, etc etc.

We've a whole weekend ahead of us, so let's do just that.

Cliff Richard: The Cliff thing was appalling. There are individuals still working for BBC News who should have been fired for it. No question there. At least Tony Hall has finally gone. News organisations do screw up from time to time, though. That's the nature of journalism. I'm not going to patronise you by comparing it to the failings of other media organisations - particularly those who have perhaps also trusted too closely in the police, particularly the South Yorkshire force, over recent decades - but it does show the awkward balance the BBC has never quite got right between reporting the story and being part of the story, while wanting to break its own scoops.

I'm sure you can enlighten us on your thoughts of how journalists should deal with police offering generous access to delicate stories.

the gender pay gap: According to the Office for National Statistics, the current gender pay gap is 7.4%, although much worse for part-timers. It is 6.2% at the BBC. Still plenty to do, but progress compared with previous years, and as a publicly-funded and high-profile organisation, plenty of opportunities to kick it until we get towards equality. Median gender pay gap at ITV is 9.8%, incidentally, and 10.2% at Sky.
(sources: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/genderpaygapintheuk/2020, http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/reports/reports/pay-gap-report-2020.pdf , https://www.itvplc.com/~/media/Files/I/ITV-PLC/documents/governance/ITV%20Gender%20%20Ethnicity%20Pay%20Gap%20Report%202020%20%20Full%20Version.pdf, https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/Employer/J2CjNVqC/2019 )

I'm sure, again, that you can enlighten us with your thoughts on large organisations and gender equality and how they should achieve this as quickly as possible.

Bashir: A festival of arse-covering all round. At least Hall has finally gone, and, as with the Cliff farrago, there are a handful of people within the BBC who have questions to ask about his bizarre rehiring. Some may have been involved with the Cliff farrago. It is probably unfair to blame the other 20,000 people who work there, though. Bashir, of course, is widely alleged to have used similar techniques to secure a Michael Jackson interview for ITV; all of which earned him a career in the United States where he was pretty much, well, found out.

I'm sure you can enlighten us on how employers can deal with cases of people who aren't quite what they seem, and those that claim to have expertise in things they really know nothing about.

Saville: Of course the horrific legacy of Jimmy Savile (just the one "l" - as an expert, you'll know this) will hang over the BBC for a long time to come. His activities went back to nightclub promotion in the 1950s and took place while he was associated with Tyne Tees Television in the early 1960s, the NHS in the 1970s and 1980s, Capital Radio in the 1980s and 1990s, the Royal Family for all those decades; I'd be interested to hear your views on what those organisations could have done to have dealt with a prolific abuser who lied and bullied his way through our country's institutions while protected by police*. Since you are so concerned about how such a repulsive and litigious individual can go undetected by the health service, broadcasters, royalty and the prime minister of the time. I recommend Dan Davies' book, In Plain Sight - The Life and Lies of Jimmy Savile, for an insight into this.

I'd be very interested to hear how, in the 1970s and 1980s, when attitudes to young people were less enlightened and there was more deference to celebrities, particularly those in at the birth of the pop culture of the time, what you think could have been done by one organisation alone.

(*source: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/saviles-breakfast-club-police-friends-face-new-questions-1871054)

Naga Munchetty: Perhaps you might like to elaborate on the scandal you have in mind here, and how the career of a successful journalist and presenter - who happens to be a woman of colour who has had to deal with an unusual amount of press scrutiny for some reason - somehow equates to of the activities of one Britain's most prolific sex offenders.

Please do come back and explain why you think Naga Munchetty is somehow on a level with a prolific sex abuser. It'll be really interesting to hear.

lobster post_id=26933 time= user_id=890 Wrote:the BBC can't keep doing the same stuff it's always done and expecting a different outcome - I go back the schedules, the long running tired programmes, the same old stuff, over and over again.

James Martin post_id=26962 time= user_id=872 Wrote:Nobody's said that.

lobster post_id=26897 time= user_id=890 Wrote:

Blobs post_id=26886 time= user_id=758 Wrote:If a "stuck in a rut" mindset produces "things of little value" like, off the top of my head, I May Destroy You, Fleabag, Small Axe, Happy Valley, This Country, Inside No 9, Time etc than I guess the other streaming services must be really overthinking things. Maybe they're the ones who need a "new way of thinking?" Whatever the hell that actually means.

my point is the majority of those programmes, if they weren't commissioned by the BBC, would have been commissioned elsewhere.